005: Improving yourself one step at a time

The first regular episode of this podcast with not one but two guests. Jeroen de Jong and Jelrik van Hal have both gone through the process of switching careers, and that's one of the things we talk about. We also discuss the Dutch Black Pete tradition, talk about improving ourselves and picking up whatever work that needs to be done.

Some of the things discussed: The Braintoss app and The Obstacle Is The Way book.